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Prednisone & pred withdrawal symptoms--others' experiences?

  • karenr
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4 years 11 months ago #66760 by karenr
Last summer, after most of 18 years on prednisone (without problems), I began having dreadful symptoms, which my hematologist and some of you diagnosed as prednisone--which probably occurred because I was on a bigger dose, my body was older, etc. The symptoms were feeling as if I couldn't get enough oxygen, racing heart, feeling that my limbs were trembling (though they weren't)--all of which appeared after even modern exertion. Since then I am on Promacta and have been tapering slowly off the prednisone. The original awful symptoms pretty much went away though I'd have short periods of feeling bad during this withdrawal. This week I went from 5-1/2 mg of pred/day to 5-1/2//5-1/2//5--two days at 5-1/2 and the third day at 5. I started this 4 days ago. Yesterday I started feeling weak in the limbs, and today--after a fair amount of necessary exertion, I felt really trembly and terrible. I check in with my endocrinologist every two weeks--before each tiny taper. This is the first time since January, when she began supervising my slow taper (I was on 7 mg/day then) that I have felt so awful.

Is it possible that just 1/2 mg less pred on Thursday and today could cause these dramatic symptoms? Have any of you had any experiences like this? I am very discouraged. (I'm on 50/75alternating Promacta, and last week my platelets were 190K--but I've had some dramatic rises and falls.)

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4 years 11 months ago - 4 years 11 months ago #66761 by mrsb04
In my opinion yes. I have been tapering Pred for ages. I have to take it ultra slow otherwise I am an absolute wreck.
I've just had 6 months on 2mg a day to give my system a taper break. Last Tuesday I went to 2mg/2mg/1mg, reducing my weekly total from 14mg to 12mg.
Last night I was shattered and went to bed at 8pm. I have just hauled myself out of bed 14 hours later !!!
Have you had an early morning cortisol level check? If not it may well be worth having one.
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  • karenr
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4 years 11 months ago #66776 by karenr
I've not had a cortisol level check. I think my endocrinologist planned to wait till I got to 5 mg/day, but I'll talk to her tomorrow--she may want to do it sooner.
I've been asked, "Why not just stay on a small dose of pred if getting off it is so difficult?" Have you considered this too, Mrs. B.?

I keep thinking I will feel better with no prednisone, but taking 5-1/2 a day definitely makes me feel better than the tiny taper I tried. 5-1/2 is a lot more than 2 though.

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4 years 11 months ago #66782 by MelA
Karen I know you are attributing the shortness of breath & racing heart to the pred taper BUT have you just checked with your PCP?? Maybe it could be your heart!

I know someone who was told by PCP to get to the ED right away as the complaint was shortness of breath [not getting enough oxygen] when taking a walk on the treadmill [that's not much exertion] but when stopped that went away. It was a heart attack - had to have 2 stents inserted - 3 years later open heart surgery.

We are no longer spring chickens - anything that has to do with shortness of breath, racing heart etc should be check out to make sure there isn't a problem with heart!!

As to low dose prednisone for life - with the side effects [osteoporosis being the worse] is it a good idea?

"Instead of wasting your time worrying about symptoms, just get it checked out" -Nieca Goldberg, MD

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  • karenr
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4 years 11 months ago #66793 by karenr
Thanks for your concern, Mel. When I began having the troubling symptoms (feeling that I couldn't get enough oxygen, racing heart beat, trembling-feeling limbs) last summer, I went first to my PCP, who ordered an incredible number of tests for me--blood, lung, heart. Everything tested okay. I was sent to a psychologist, who thought I was having panic attacks--which didn't ring true to me. I then talked with my hematologist, who said, "It's not anxiety--it's prednisone!" (I did go to an anxiety class, and the relaxation and meditation exercises do help a little, but they certainly don't eliminate the big, troubling symptoms.)

I do want to eliminate pred from my body entirely, but I'm worried it won't be possible--especially after I hear others' experiences. My endocrinologist is insisting I get a medical alert bracelet with "adrenal insufficiency" on it (plus "low platelets").
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4 years 11 months ago - 4 years 11 months ago #66794 by mrsb04
Karen
I may end up on a maintenance dose but want off it all together.
I have steroid induced osteoporosis and cataracts forming. Ophthalmologist says they could well be drug related but too early to tell.
I am sick and tired of delayed wound healing with even the smallest of nicks.
Have you tried cutting tablets? It is fiddly but makes dose reductions smaller?

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4 years 11 months ago #66797 by MelA
Karen I'm delighted your PCP was so caring and diligent about the symptoms you presented - thankfully they did not represent a heart problem!! Know you will go back to him/her if you end up with anything different than you are having now.

I wouldn't want to be labeled adrenal insufficiency unless proven. Our body does stop making it once we are taking a certain amount of prednisone and for the life of me I can't recall now that amount - is it 5mg? When I was tapering I actually was cutting 1mg pred pills in 1/2 and then later cut the 1/2 pills in half - I had been on it for a couple years, living overseas, didn't want to stop cold turkey as my US hematologist said to do. I went as slow as possible getting off it, cutting those pills into pieces and staying on one dose a couple weeks before lowering it every so slightly.

Others experiences are not you - we are all different in how our body handles things. Being on prednisone at any dose for a long period of time does its damage.

When do you next see the doctor?

"Instead of wasting your time worrying about symptoms, just get it checked out" -Nieca Goldberg, MD
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4 years 10 months ago #66820 by karenr
Thank you, Mel, for your suggestions. I think they say that most bodies make about 5 mg by themselves, so that is the critical number for many. Your idea bout cutting 1-mg pills into quarters is a great one. I've only been cutting them into halves. I'm planning on staying on 5-1/2 mg/day for a bit and then will reduce maybe 1/4 mg twice a week.
I talk to the endocrinologist every other week, email the hematologist with questions and email or see the PCP. I saw the PCP though this week, so she's aware of what is going on.

Mrs. B, when I had my cataract surgery, the ophthalmologist said my cataracts were not caused by steroids. I guess they can tell.
I guess until my body rebelled last summer, I was the poster child for prednisone. I really hadn't had any problems with it for 17 years!

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4 years 10 months ago #66822 by mrsb04
The physiological dose of Prednisolone is 7.5mg.
Karen I would suggest reducing by 0.25mg once a week not twice a week
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4 years 10 months ago #66858 by JJ
Steroids cause a cataract at the back of the lens so yes, they can tell if a cataract is caused by steroids.

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